Why talk Greek n Latin?
One of the most annoying thing which I have noticed in a multi cultural work atmosphere is people talking in a language with zero consideration for the other people around who don't understand the language that is spoken. Most of the times the language happens to be the mother tongue of the majority of the people in that group.
Initially I used to think, only I used to feel abased. But when I discuss about this to many people, I understand many people find it very uncomfortable when the people around them talk in some language which they dont understand. I had my first experience of this when I was working in Karnataka. I experienced this many times when I was with a malayalee gang. So I started avoiding to go along with any malayalee gang after that. But later faced the same with some north Indian colleagues too. My sister used to complain about the people from Andra who talk in Telugu, without considering that there is a person with them who does not understand their language. Then a Telugu friend of mine used to complain to me about tamilians who talk in Tamil even though they knew that there were some non tamil speaking people in the group. So I realised people irrespective of where they come from everyone faces this problem and do nothing but point their fingers at some group or the other. They don't think that even they might be doing the same to someone else.
Another common thing that I have noticed on this front is, say if two tamilians discuss about this issue, then they tend to boast that their community (community I mean people who speak the same language) are not like that and they always consider the other people and talk in a common language. Similarly Marathi, Gujarathi, Telugu, Malayalee, Kanadiga, Bengali etc.. also boast about their community. In reality none of them have any consideration for the other community people when they are in majority.
Is'nt it a basic courtesy to talk in a common language and common subject so that everyone in the group can enjoy what others are enjoying? Why is it that we fail to do it? Why don't we think of others by being in their shoes?
On a different note, A tamil speaking man was interogated at Seatle since a off-duty airport authority suspected him and alerted the flight crew. Click here to read the news article on The Hindu.
Varta...
Initially I used to think, only I used to feel abased. But when I discuss about this to many people, I understand many people find it very uncomfortable when the people around them talk in some language which they dont understand. I had my first experience of this when I was working in Karnataka. I experienced this many times when I was with a malayalee gang. So I started avoiding to go along with any malayalee gang after that. But later faced the same with some north Indian colleagues too. My sister used to complain about the people from Andra who talk in Telugu, without considering that there is a person with them who does not understand their language. Then a Telugu friend of mine used to complain to me about tamilians who talk in Tamil even though they knew that there were some non tamil speaking people in the group. So I realised people irrespective of where they come from everyone faces this problem and do nothing but point their fingers at some group or the other. They don't think that even they might be doing the same to someone else.
Another common thing that I have noticed on this front is, say if two tamilians discuss about this issue, then they tend to boast that their community (community I mean people who speak the same language) are not like that and they always consider the other people and talk in a common language. Similarly Marathi, Gujarathi, Telugu, Malayalee, Kanadiga, Bengali etc.. also boast about their community. In reality none of them have any consideration for the other community people when they are in majority.
Is'nt it a basic courtesy to talk in a common language and common subject so that everyone in the group can enjoy what others are enjoying? Why is it that we fail to do it? Why don't we think of others by being in their shoes?
On a different note, A tamil speaking man was interogated at Seatle since a off-duty airport authority suspected him and alerted the flight crew. Click here to read the news article on The Hindu.
Varta...
51 Comments:
At October 04, 2006 2:05 AM, prithz said…
me firsttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!! bs icecream plzzzzzzzz....
At October 04, 2006 3:25 AM, Ganesh Ranganathan said…
Yes, that can get quite unnerving sometimes...but think of it this way, what if the person is not proficient in the common language (mostly english)....they may wish to avoid embarassment.
At October 04, 2006 3:57 AM, Janani said…
At times common language englipsha irundha athu kasthama irundha thaan people ithu pollow pannuvanga
At October 04, 2006 4:00 AM, Rebelzz said…
Well, ppl lack basic etiquette.. All of us know that it is extremely comfortable to converse in the respective mother tongue.. But, decency demands that ppl speak in a common language which everyobody follows..
In work place if a majority of ppl understand one language, the language is commonly used irrespective of the fact that thr might be someone who does not know it.
Well, to conclude -- People lack basic etiquette!
At October 04, 2006 4:27 AM, Pavithra said…
True !! I try to speak in English if I know that there are non-tamil people in the group and in case I or someone blurt out some Tamil Joke, I translate it to the other person. At the same time, when others use their mother tongue, I politely interfere and ask them to speak in English. I think its just carelessness noone wants to offend others wantedly.
At October 04, 2006 4:55 AM, brute said…
well kk...guess wat 90percent of my blogger buddies are tamil speaking and me telugu speaking...... its greek n latin for me wen u guys comment in tamil (not in my comment section though) i mean wen i try to read and understand wat other guys hafta say .....
At October 04, 2006 7:53 AM, s0ulasylum said…
wow, finally something that makes sense coming from you kk!! :))
but i strongly agree with you on this point, its rude more than anything else to speak a common language amidst a group of non- that particular language speakers.. seriously, i've seeen that in school, at my prvs workplace , where i work now.. everywhere everywhere.. an du shifted to beta blogger without even telling me how !! sad is coming ok?? :( go observe two min silence and dont talk to me for 2 days.. :((
At October 04, 2006 8:12 AM, Syam said…
I agree with Pavithra and r.e.b.e.l, sometimes its carelessness sometimes lack basic etiquette...though it gives us comfort level to converse in mother tongue...we have to consider others around us....
Syam epdi ipdi ellam ore thathuvams of India.... :-)
At October 04, 2006 8:31 AM, Ramya Shankar said…
Pretty much the same as the other ladies ! There's nothing to be abashed about such situations. But it happens even in colleges, ppl form their own groups according to languages and multi-linguals like me are dragged everywhere!
At October 04, 2006 8:52 AM, Rajesh &Shankari said…
It happens everywhere and we just have to try to steer everyone to speak in the language we all understand
At October 04, 2006 9:05 AM, Priya said…
KK:
You came up with a good post kk. Many people feel at home once they see their own community ppl. Its ok when they are outside, but not inside the office. Others will always feel insecure if he/she talks about them in a different language.
Say chinese always speak in their language whereever they are. They do not even care if other people will be hurt.
It ok to preserve our culture but not in this way. Indian always divide and rule wherever they go. The first question is are u SI/NI? If so where in SI and all sorts of nonsense. Why can't ppl' accept the truth they r Indians first. You can see not many organization in one single name of Indian but rather divide as G/M/T Associations.
At October 04, 2006 9:34 AM, KK said…
@Prithz - Here take the BS ice cream, Catch it! :)
Oh yeah, forgot the chinkis... They too do it quite often. Well I am also like your friends, If I get offended then I too dont bother to be courteous to them. Tit for tat you see :)
@Ganesh - I agree it will be embarassment, but I feel its ok to talk how much ever they can, I am sure no one is going to make fun. If they still feel like using their mother tongue then they should politely tell the other person that they are going to talk in their language as he feels it will be to converse in it. :)
@Janani - Yeah, but they let the other persom know and then talk in their own language :)
@R.E.B.E.L - Rightly said!! We do lack some basic ettiquette. So creating awareness is the only way to educate people about the ettiquettes. So lets start doing that :)
@Pavithra - Good Job Pavithra, for being considerate for others. :) I too try to do everything that you have mentioned. But sometimes it pisses me off when people continue to talk in their language when I told them that I dont understand them. In that case I just move off from that place. Well sometimes I feel its not only carelessness, its ego too.
@Brute - I am very sorry about the comments section. Sometimes its not possible, its out of my control. We will try to minimise it, In future if you need any translation for a tamil comment feel free to ask me, I will be glad to help you :)
At October 04, 2006 9:34 AM, KK said…
@S0ulasylum - Hey! Whats this 2 mins silence and 2 days dont talk thing? :( Hey trust me I did try to tell you that I changed to beta, but could not catch you. Trust me, ok? :)
So are you telling, I have been posting senseless so many day??? :o Yup its very rude to be non considerate about others in the group. So what do you do in that case?
@Syam - Yup, I agree its carelessness sometimes and lack of basic ettiquette sometimes. But I also feel sometimes its done wantedly. If they do it by carelessness and they correct it then I am fine, else its annoying.
Syam bhyangra thathuvams of India :)
@Rums - Nice display name... But reminds me of Pub :) (Jus Kiddin)
Grouping is another thing, which can be a new post by itself. Me, though not a multi-lingual have faced the problem of being in many groups. Sometimes its very demanding to be on multiple groups :)
@Shankari - True. But sometimes its very difficult to steer people when they are in majority. :)
@Priya - //It ok to preserve our culture but not in this way.//
Very nicely said Priya. Yup, everyone feels insecure if the other people are talking about them in a different language. Thats he reason why many get offended too. Regarding dividing, you got it spot on. I agree with you completely. Depending upon the people around we form subsets. I hate that. Nice points Priya :)
At October 04, 2006 10:28 AM, Jayaprabhakar said…
Such things happen very frequently, esp with Northies. When we interrupt they will start start abt Hindi - 'The National Language', etc... and all rubbish. These people don't even know the fact that Hindi is not a National Language, it is just another official language amoung the 22 official languages of India. I have many times argued, but they are never ready to change. Now, I have decided, whenever they talk in Hindi, without speaking anything, I should move away - "dhustanai kandaal dhoora vizhagu".
Never worry abt what noises they make (For me whatever they speak is just a noise). Dont do the same mistake, what these people do.
At October 04, 2006 11:01 AM, Syam said…
//whenever they talk in Hindi, without speaking anything, I should move away - "dhustanai kandaal dhoora vizhagu". //
@jayaprabhakar, if they talk to u in Hindi you sud talk back in tamil..atha vitutu y doora vilakings...
KK wot say?
I would say we are the only state in entire India who don't know Hindi...inga ella state kaarangalum Hindi la pesaraana...naan avanga vaya parthu acha acha nu solratha thavira enna panrathau :-)
At October 04, 2006 11:04 AM, Anonymous said…
I can see everywhere this is happenning. Make a awareness of common language in the world. Make a english language is the common language which is going to be anyway after 50 to 100 years. Otherwise this will continue....you can not change everybody. Everybody different.
At October 04, 2006 11:56 AM, G3 said…
Aaha.. En teamliyum idhey kadha dhaan.. Aan oonna makkal gemini TVya aarambichiduvaanga.. Pazhi vaanga naama tamizhla aarambikkalaamna en teamla irukkara meedhi 2 tamizh makkalum perundhala.. onnu TL innonnu PM. avanga kitta ennatha pesa.. so silenta naama paatukku seatla irundha gtalk, orkutnu start panniduven. illa pantryla irundha phonenu namma velaila busyaayidaa vendiyadhu dhaan.. :)
At October 04, 2006 12:08 PM, Syam said…
//illa pantryla irundha phonenu namma velaila busyaayidaa vendiyadhu dhaan//
g3, aama aama kadamaila kanna irukanum... :-)
At October 04, 2006 12:39 PM, KK said…
@Jayaprabhakar - Oh! My office too had a discussion on Hindi being a national language etc.. Interesting to find many places having this :)
@Syam & Jayaprabhakar - Correct Syam, When I get a chance then I talk in tamil and show them how it feels when others talk in some laguage which they dont understand. If we move far they wont realise it. Mulla mullala than yedukanum ;) (Remove a thorn only with another thorn)
Its a real pityful state for our state that we opposed Hindi and ended up as the only non Hindi speaking state in India.
@Anonymous - Welcome here! Well officially english has been made the common language except in a few European countries, China and Japan. But still I guess people should be educated about basic ettiquettes to solve this.
@G3 - Neengalum gemini gemini paatu paada vendiyathu thane??? Kadaisiya oru O poduma solli escape aagalame ;) Actually the truth is you are busy on Phone, Gtalk and Orkut and where will you find time for your PM and TL :)
@Syam - //aama aama kadamaila kanna irukanum//
Reminds me of the scene where Vadivel calls his brother Mark who had 20 crores loss in his oil well :) G3'um intha maathiri than yethavuthu gapsa vittutu irupanganu ninaikuren :) LOL!!!!
At October 04, 2006 12:59 PM, prithz said…
Thnx pa... irundhaalum, how many days u gonna virtually give me bs icecreamm.. paavam prithz.. ipdi laam chinna ponna yeamaatha koodathu.. :'(
I dutn belive in tit for tat.. so whenver my frnds begin conversation in tamil in teh midst of chinkis, i try to slowly drft bk the conversation to english, or tell them, "english la pesu di" :P
At October 04, 2006 2:05 PM, G3 said…
//G3'um intha maathiri than yethavuthu gapsa vittutu irupanganu ninaikuren//
Hmm.. unga alavukkellam Gapsa vida aarambikkala.. As of now edho local callsoda odittirukku.. :P
At October 04, 2006 3:05 PM, Syam said…
KK & prithz, wot doing g3 new post pottu Puliodharai & Sundal distribution start panni atchu :-)
At October 04, 2006 8:50 PM, Prasanna Parameswaran said…
true kk it happens everywhere, if you start pointing finger to everyone else it never ends in a healthy sign - i think everyone of us need to realize this trouble and talk in a universal language!
At October 04, 2006 9:26 PM, prithz said…
@ syam - syam brether... neengale, bharani kittendhu, avarooda, puliyodarai ah pudungi saaptinga nu kelvipaatenne...:P naan inniki kalambra dhan g3 blog poonen.. neengale ellathaiyum kaali pannitinga.. nothin left for kk and me... :'(
At October 04, 2006 9:57 PM, Keshi said…
LOLZ KK I so know wut u mean. I hate it when ppl do that. I always try to speak English when Im with alot of ppl from different cultures. It's very rude to start off with ur own language just like that!
Keshi.
At October 04, 2006 11:36 PM, golmaalgopal said…
correctba...many r like this...even in my grp....hindi, oriya,telugu nu orey kalappadama irukkum....naanum romba porumaiya iruppen...englipisla laam kooda pesa try pannuven....appovum avanga pesardha pesina...naanum aarambichuduven... :)) nadoola thittavum seiven... :))
[avangalum thittuvaanga...aana nammalukku dhaan puriyaadhe...so vera yaaraio thittaraanganu solli freeah vittuduven :))]
PS: avangalukku konjam konjam tamil theriyum...so naa thittardhu avangalukku puriyara maadhiri nalla nirutthi nidhanama theliva thittuven... :)))
At October 05, 2006 2:05 AM, reborn said…
very true ... everyone seems to have experienced it ... still they end up doing the same ... at times they even plan to go for movies which someone in the gang may not understand ...it happened to me ... very sensible post ..
At October 05, 2006 9:56 AM, Has to be me said…
Good one KK. U know I also used to face this prob (with ppl from another country) & Iused to get so damn annoyed & pissed off abt it. Later on I was trying to think abt it & what I felt was I dont think ppl do this on purpose.
Just that each person is more comfortable talking in their own language wherein they can express better & fail to realise / understand that theres a person who doesnt follow that language. This I feel is the angle from others point of view....but looking @ the same from our own angle it is indeed damn annoying! Maybe a conscious effort shd be taken by all to avoid the same else better to be a linguist!!!
At October 05, 2006 10:41 AM, KK said…
@Prithz - Prithz paavam, accepted ;)
No tit for tat?? Oh man its fun to do tit for tat.. :) Well I too try my best to pull my friends to talk in a common language but if they persist then I try to spend time with the non tamil speaking person and keep him engaged so that he does not feel out of place. :)
@G3 - Unga range than theriyume... cycle gap'la plane otura aal neenga... local call'liye ISD range'ku padam poduveenga... :)
@Syam - Sorry Boss, Was stuck at work, but late'a poi read through the comments... cha missed a nice oppurtunity... :(
@IndianAngel - I am not sure if you got me wrong. I am not pointing my fingers at anyone, but just telling that each one of us have gone through this but we always blame someone else without realising that even we do it. Yup each one of us need to realize this problem and talk in a common language. :)
@Keshi - Yeah, its very rude and annoying when someone starts with their own language.
@GolmaalGopal - So common language'la pesureengalo illayo... seekiram common language'la thittipeenganu ninaikuren :)
@Reborn - Hey! Welcome here!! Hope to see your around :) Oh yeah! thats one of the worst cases... I am very sorry that it happened to you :( Next time dont agree to them :)
@Has to be me - Welcome back madam :) Well you seem to have taken a matured way of handling this unlike me doing tit for tat :) Thinking about it, I find it difficult to accept that people dont do this on purpose, because all experiences I have had doesnt look like that. But I feel its a good practice to atleast tell the other person that we are going to talk something which the other person might not understand and asking him to excuse them for some time. Yep, I feel a concious effort needs to be taken :)
At October 05, 2006 12:38 PM, Sundar said…
Hi KK,
Everyone would have faced this situation some time or the other..
Sometimes we sure get annoyed when people do this wantedly. but sometimes we cannot avoid it.. say for example one of my friend doesn't understand english properly and when we are with other friends, I have to talk with her in tamil and have to translate what others are saying...and translate others what we talk.
As syam said I think only we tamilians dont know hindi well and I really feel bad abt it after coming to US.
At October 05, 2006 12:42 PM, Prema Sundar said…
OOOps .. the above comment was mine..logged into diff account and commented by mistake.
At October 05, 2006 1:31 PM, G3 said…
//cycle gap'la plane otura aal neenga... local call'liye ISD range'ku padam poduveenga... :)//
Aniyaayathuku pugazhreenga KK.. Its okie.. :D
//cha missed a nice oppurtunity//
Nalla vela naan thappichutten nethu.. aanalum nethu neenga postukku oru commentu, commentukku oru commentunnu poda, ellarum adhayey follow panni commenta pathi comment podaraanga :-)
At October 05, 2006 2:48 PM, Syam said…
//analum nethu neenga postukku oru commentu, commentukku oru commentunnu poda//
g3,
pinna epdi unga score erumaam...athunaala you owe us a grand treat... :-)
At October 05, 2006 3:30 PM, G3 said…
@Syam : Unga blogla treat illannu sonnadhum KK blogla vandhu kekkareengalaakum.. Enga kettalum orey badhil unga katchi aal solli kudutha badhil.. //ippo aama solran appuram illai solran// :P
At October 05, 2006 11:21 PM, Unknown said…
Yes..its true...its happening everywhere....
I also have done this mistake...but I am rectifying it slowly
At October 06, 2006 1:25 AM, Jeevan said…
I too read that news in Hindu. take the blog some of Non-Tamil people visit some blogs which are writen in Tamil, so they can't share with us. That why i try to write all my post in English!
I have faced the same with our tenents, who are telegu speaking student. we don't know is they scolding us are praising us:))
At October 06, 2006 5:23 AM, Anonymous said…
Good topic.., Atleast from now on try to tell other person if you dont know that language politely. That will make a change.
At October 06, 2006 8:31 AM, Unknown said…
KK, yen mother tongue Telugu dhaan. Aana naan yenga college-la irukura Andhra students kitta Telugu-la pesinadhe illa! :)
Avanga Telugu appadiye then madhiri irukkum! Aana namba Telugu Madras Telugu! Kevalama irukkum! Adhunaala enakku Telugu theriyadhu-nu solliduven! :D
Yes, what u told is correct. We should have some courtesy for the people who can't understand our language! Sometimes, indha madhir situationla Malayalam pesuravanga Tamil-la irukura wordsa kindal pannuvaanga. Udane Tamil pesaravangalukku kovam vandhudum! Undane oru sanda nadakum!
We should keep in mind that We are all Indians first and only then Tamil, Telugu, Hindi ......!
Neengalum The Hindu thodardhundhu padipingalo! Inga Coimbatore-la enakku irukura orey companion The Hindu dhaan! :)
At October 06, 2006 8:34 AM, KK said…
@Prema Sundar - What you are doing with your friend is understandable, as long as others know about it, I think its perfectly fine. But as you said, if done wantedly then its really annoying. Oh yeah! we are the only hindi deprived people in our country, sad but true. :)
@G3 - Unga perumaiya sollite pogalam ;)
//ellarum adhayey follow panni commenta pathi comment podaraanga//
We are all trend setters... cant help it :) Unga postu'ku varathu nu theriyum...aana comment varalana unga manasu kashta padumenu, comment'ku comment potu unga score ethinom...ithuku neenga oru grand treat kodukalam... :)
@Syam - Correct'a soneenga Syam... Naanum ketruken...pakalam yenna solranganu :)
@Bala G. - Wow! nice Bala! Nice to know you are taking an effort to rectify it :) Kudos to you!! Gimme a five!!!
@Jeevan - Its a very nice thing that you consider others and write your post in English! Well students will be like that...ariya vayasu... so thats ok :)
@Oliveoyl - Good! I too do the same if its a familiar gang, else, I try to understand what they talk with body language and expressions... if I still dont undersatnd then I chill it :)
@Uma - Ok Madam :) sure, will do that :D
At October 06, 2006 8:52 AM, KK said…
@Karthik B.S - Aha!! Tamil kalantha Telugu'va??? I heard its very different from the telugu in AP.
Yup it can create unneccesry confution between people, talking ill about the other language.
//We should keep in mind that We are all Indians first and only then Tamil, Telugu, Hindi //
Very nicely said, I say that if someone asks me if I am Tamilian, when I am cranky :)
Yennanga oru Hindu ponnu than companion solluveenganu paartha The Hindu than companion'nu solli gundu thooki podureenga :) (No religious bias, just for the sentence flow :))
At October 06, 2006 10:29 AM, prithz said…
Haha!!! thnx thnx!!!
nice of u to be engagin ur nontamil frnd!!!
At October 06, 2006 10:59 AM, G3 said…
//Unga postu'ku varathu nu theriyum//
:-( Chey... Insult insult.. Neenga enna darna pandradhu.. Ippadi oru stmt vittadhukku naan darna pandren..
//aana comment varalana unga manasu kashta padumenu, comment'ku comment potu unga score ethinom. ithuku neenga oru grand treat kodukalam... //
Yeppa.. enna oru nallennam? annaathai.. Konjam flash backla yosichu paarunga.. idhey nelama ungalukku irundhappo help pannadhu G3 yaakkum.. so adhukkum idhukkum balance aayiduchu.. :P
At October 06, 2006 12:26 PM, gils said…
iipothaiku...ullen aiya mattum...padichitu commentaraen
At October 06, 2006 12:54 PM, starry said…
Nice post. I think one should use a common language when you are in the work place out of courtesy for your fellow workers. I have felt offended at work when the Philopinos would speak their language and you were the odd one out. you dont know if they are talking about you. I think its ok to speak in any language on your own time. I feel bad for the guy who was speaking tamil and people thought he was a terrorist.
At October 06, 2006 2:01 PM, Ponnarasi Kothandaraman said…
Hahaha ejactly.. I hate these kind of discriminations. Inga chennai'la adikadi Hindi thaan apdi aagum :((
Athanalaye i hate hindi.
At October 06, 2006 10:49 PM, Unknown said…
@Prithz
nice of u to be engagin ur nontamil frnd!!!
yaarukku andha message?
At October 08, 2006 7:57 PM, gils said…
hmmm...enga roomlaiyum ithey case thaan...oruthana thavira micha ellathukum tamizh theriyum...many a time v folks forget tt he doesnt know tamil...fl sorry for him
At October 09, 2006 3:12 AM, Venkatesh said…
oh man.. this is a common problem everywhere...
At October 09, 2006 12:08 PM, Kavi said…
God knows from where you are able to hit such pertinent topics bang on man !
This is so much of a problem in a city like Bangalore. I find it obnoxious and at many a time, have voiced my opinion too.
Only to be replied to in a language that i cant follow ! :(
At October 09, 2006 9:26 PM, KK said…
@Prithz - :)
@G3 - Vaazhga G3!! :)
@Strarry - Yup, Work place it should always be english. Never worked with philiphino's. :)
@Ponnarasi - Hmmm... for that sake you should not be hating a language :) the language will miss you :)
@Karthik B.S - Antha message yenakku :)
@Gils - Paavam gils antha paiyan :)
@Venkatesh - Yup sir :)
@Kavi - Thats so sad that you are being answered in some language that you dont follow. Hope people realize soon. :)
At November 01, 2006 11:38 AM, Arunkumar said…
ok, just sneaking into ur old blogs...
unga post padikkiradukku 10 mts , comments padikkiradukku 30 mts... :))))))))
naanum face pannirken mostly with N.India gang... defaultaa ellarukkum hindi theriyumnu avangalukku oru nenappu...
naan ellam 3rd,4th language-ku kooda hindi pakkam odunginadu kedayaadu :(
Good post.
-Arun
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