Dating and its repercussions
Should parents be easy enough and leave their children to date? Dating is still considered as a taboo in India. A boy and girl going out for a dinner or for a movie is not acceptable. Leave alone dinner, even going for a lunch would evoke a lot of gossip in the community. Why are parents against the idea of dating? Is it because they are scared of what the society will talk about them and their child? Or is it to prevent their kid from falling in love?
In India it is generally considered ok, if two guys roam along. They can hold hands and put ones hand on the others shoulder etc. in public. It is not at all considered bad. So you find most of the guys roaming together with hands on shoulders while walking on the streets.
I don't know how it is for girls, but for boys whoever comes to US, they find it difficult initially to adapt. This is because they are so used to being in contact with another boy in public. But when they do the same thing publicly in US, people will give them a wierd look and think that they are gays. So as time goes guys become very conscious about this. So when they go to India they feel very uncomfortable when some one puts their hand on their shoulders or some thing. But people in India won't understand this, they start thinking he is showing off coming back from US.
Well the main reason for me to post about this topic, that India should encourage girl-boy relationship is because of the alarming increase in homosexuals and the consequences of it. In a recent AIDS conference at Toronto it was reported that there is a high incidence of occurance of HIV due to MSM(Men Sex with Men) in places like Chennai and Mumbai. A government study revealed that there are two million MSM's in the country.
MSM is hidden behind the bushes in India and have no access to HIV relates services as homosexual is criminalised under section 377. They also face a great deal of violence from the cops. This brings up another question, Should homosexuality be legalised? This debate is still active in US itself, so I guess India will be taking some time to take a stand on this.
The shocking thing is, that the experts feel that about 10% of the males in India might be MSM's. It was found that 20% are affected in Mumbai and 10% in Chennai and also in Tihar.
Are'nt Indians being hypocrites by saying we are culturally pure when so much is happening?
(Source: NDTV)
Varta...
In India it is generally considered ok, if two guys roam along. They can hold hands and put ones hand on the others shoulder etc. in public. It is not at all considered bad. So you find most of the guys roaming together with hands on shoulders while walking on the streets.
I don't know how it is for girls, but for boys whoever comes to US, they find it difficult initially to adapt. This is because they are so used to being in contact with another boy in public. But when they do the same thing publicly in US, people will give them a wierd look and think that they are gays. So as time goes guys become very conscious about this. So when they go to India they feel very uncomfortable when some one puts their hand on their shoulders or some thing. But people in India won't understand this, they start thinking he is showing off coming back from US.
Well the main reason for me to post about this topic, that India should encourage girl-boy relationship is because of the alarming increase in homosexuals and the consequences of it. In a recent AIDS conference at Toronto it was reported that there is a high incidence of occurance of HIV due to MSM(Men Sex with Men) in places like Chennai and Mumbai. A government study revealed that there are two million MSM's in the country.
"In India, Pakistan, etc it appears that the epidemic is spiralling out of control. If we don't take action, it could make the epidemic in the gay community look simple. This is growing rapidly," said Kevin Robert Frost, Director, AmFAR(American Foundation for AIDS Research)
MSM is hidden behind the bushes in India and have no access to HIV relates services as homosexual is criminalised under section 377. They also face a great deal of violence from the cops. This brings up another question, Should homosexuality be legalised? This debate is still active in US itself, so I guess India will be taking some time to take a stand on this.
The shocking thing is, that the experts feel that about 10% of the males in India might be MSM's. It was found that 20% are affected in Mumbai and 10% in Chennai and also in Tihar.
Are'nt Indians being hypocrites by saying we are culturally pure when so much is happening?
(Source: NDTV)
Varta...
76 Comments:
At August 30, 2006 11:57 PM, prithz said…
What???? 10% MSM's... Shit!!! It makes me put down such a shameful face :(
But, such boy-girl relationships are considered ok in the north and in the west.. i feel in tamil nadu, ppl are still a bit conservative.. sometimes, when i go in the bike with my cuzn(elder brother), ppl give a such a nasty look or chirp into each ohter's ears... so easy to pass judgement i guess...
Let's jsu hope, that thru ur sincere efforts to bring such matters to light, something can reform our country... good post KK!!! Keep it up...
P.S. dunt forget my BS icecream :P
At August 31, 2006 12:37 AM, Unknown said…
Naanum idha (Dating) thaan solren...yaarum keka maatraanga....;-)....
At August 31, 2006 12:57 AM, Pavithra said…
Good post !! True..my cousin (US born and brought up) asked me about this. We don't date and consider sex sacred but why is India's AIDS ratio so high?
This news abt homosexuals is really scary, it makes me think US-kum India-kum periya difference onnum illa...avanga thappu-naalum thairiyamaa seiyaraanga..namma yaarukkum theriyama seiyarom.
"Are'nt Indians being hypocrites by saying we are culturally pure when so much is happening?". - Good question !!
At August 31, 2006 3:32 AM, Has to be me said…
This is just too shocking to note abt MSM esp in Chennai! I read it again just to be sure if I read it right! And the HIV cases too!Unable to digest the same!
What 2 say abt dating that too in Chennai?! I think its prevalent more in the beaches, theatres etc rather than in the restaurants. And ppl do comment on the same but then do restrict themselves when they get their turn to date! Always easier to point out to others u c. This sort of hypocrism is inbuilt & I gues u cant do much abt it!
At August 31, 2006 6:56 AM, Priya said…
Wow!!! KK and dating.... Enna dhan nadakudu .... Just kidding.
I think ppl' have a right to date within the limit. No mush mush, but they shud try to understand their feelings and emotions if they r really into it and get married.
Many guys who visit NA first time, definitely go to nude clubs here in US. I wonder all the thirst they were waiting to freak out, they get it here. Shame on them. Coz it only degrades them.
I have no clue of chennai today coz its been long time I visited.
I think M2M is a shame and disgusting. I wonder what adam and eve will say seeing M&M. They will crush themselves coz no citrus found but only an apple.
Good one kk..
At August 31, 2006 11:13 AM, KC! said…
research padi partha, homosexuality does not come out of habits, it is born with the person..adhu eppadi dating panna idhu kuraiyum solreenga?
At August 31, 2006 12:18 PM, Syam said…
I agree with bala.... :-)
@usha, athu kurayutho illayo...pasangaluku dating panna ponnuga kidaipaanga illa :-)
At August 31, 2006 1:12 PM, Priya said…
KK: Ther r ppl cross dressers, but they are normal people. A man wearing womens clothes, but he is not abnormal.
M+M happens at the age when they are curious to know things. Its not just inside the body itself, but also by viewing and comparing with others. Some boys like to play with dolls, but if this process continues for a long time, it shud be checked by their parents.
The behavior pattern forms when the child understands what is what. If you look at enunch ppl' they are different, but their feelings and emotions are same as us right.
KK: What was happening within 4 walls is quite open now. Ppl' who do it, say we are 1000 yrs old with a tradition lalallal.... but he will also be the culprit being a pimp/ catcher for poor girls too. If Indians agree about prostitutes then why say they r conservative.
Syam: ungalku ethuku dating ippo:-)))
At August 31, 2006 1:20 PM, Syam said…
@Priya, naan enakuna sonnen...pasangalukunu sonnen...enaku adi vaangi veikarathula apdi enna thaan interest oh ungaluku :-)
At August 31, 2006 1:35 PM, Kanya said…
@Bala... neenga innum bachelor'a?? unga varutham puriyuthu...
@syam anna... u agree with bala'va??? annikitta solren irunga!! :P
@KK:
KK.. hyprocracy'ngurathu namma ellarukullaiyum irukku... most of us even rationalise it at some point...
onnum illa... dating'a india'la parents othukka aarambichutta mattum ellam oru alavukku sari aagum'nu ninaikureengala... the point is.. are we all clear about what dating is.. what is being in love is.. and what is being commited is... ithukku ellam oru nool vithyasam irukku.. athu namma ellarukkum theriyuma??
parents allow panrathu ellam vera... eppothula irundhu naama parents solra ellathaiyum kekkurom... thiruttu thanama tham adikirathu.. college cut adichuttu cinema'ku poogalaiya enna...
even in ur post.. u say guyz when come to US find it difficult when "Others" see them like wierdos when they touch other men... and they feel uncomforatable when the go back to india b'coz "others" think you are being a show off!!
first "others"ngura vattatha vittu veliya vaangappa... it is only then we will really knonw what we want!! the decision to change something abt us does not lie in the permission from our parents or from the way the society looks at us... the change should happen when you understand what is that you want!!
Talking abt homosexuals and Aids... studies niraiya solli irukku... animal sex was the origination of AIDs'nu kooda solli irukku... athu ellam manithanukkula irukkura vakkaram... Homosexuality is as Usha says happens inside ur biological precoding!! habits'la varathu illa... aana india'la athu oru habit'a irukku'nu sonna othukuveengala...
there are some big universities which has hotels... these places are a concentration of homos... yen theriyuma.. it is safer for them... veliya yaarukkum theriyaathu.. pregancy athu ithunnu periya thala vali varathu... u don't have to be extra careful...
first of all india'la Sex pathina knowledge valantha padicha puthusaligaliku kooda ithu ellam kuraiva irukku.. plus.. karpu.. kalacharam'nu oru boochandi vera.. amma sonna katha .. patti sonna katha'nu we all still live in a shell... well protected and covered... appo avuthu vidum poothu aruthukittu oodurom!!
i think what we need to openess.. transparency... asattu thairiyam... thappu thaan'nalum appadithaan seivennu oru thairiyam varanum... vizhundathaan ezhuntharikka theriyum... illana kai pidichu thooki vida yaaraavathu vara varaikkum wait panna vendiyathuthaan!!!
sorry for the long post... topic appadi!! :)
cheers
Kanya
At August 31, 2006 2:35 PM, Syam said…
@kanya
yeppa enaku aapu veikarathuku oru periya kootame iruku....inga eluthara essey va unga blog la posting ah pottu irukalaam illa.... :-)
At August 31, 2006 3:03 PM, starry said…
It is a shame that Aids is so prevelant in India. I think indians like to hide behind a curtain with this pure thing.people date but date in hiding . I think if people were more open then they wont be doing all these things behind their parents back and also not being educated in regards to Aids prevention.I think Educating the public is the key.
At August 31, 2006 3:46 PM, s0ulasylum said…
wow!! 10% is a whole lot of men! AIDS awareness.. AIDS awareness AIDS awareness.. thts all it is that can help.. i dont quite agree with the thought that because of not allowing boy-girl interaction more men are turning homosexual.. anyway nice post kk! will reserve crank comments for later! :) i see u have put google to good use here.. hehehe.. :))
At August 31, 2006 5:21 PM, Kanya said…
@ syam...
essay'va... yen solla maateenga... ingaye ivlo poodurenna.. ennoda blog'la evlo pooduven!! padikiravanga nilamaiya yoosichu paarunga...
athaan english blog pakkam aadikku oru thadava ammavasaikku oru thadava visiting!!! Thamizh thaan ponguthe... nirutha mudiyala athaan ezhuthi thalluren.. neenga ellarum maati irukeengale :P
sari sari intha thadava viduren... illaina anni'ku call thaan!!!
At August 31, 2006 7:26 PM, KK said…
@Prithz - Yep it is shameful. People jus like to poke their nose in every possible thing. Thanks!! I hope so too. Probably you should think of another flavour, reason given in ur blog :)
@Bala - Naanum athe than solla paarkuren...ippovathu yaaravathu ketkurangala paarpom... :)
@Pavithra - Nice question...yaarukkum theriyama seirathu naala than HIV pathi awareness illama makkal are getting infected...hope this trend changes...
@Has to be me - Yup, for me too. I read this article on NDTV a couple of weeks back and since then I wanted to pot on this and finally I did today :) yup, as you say, Indians are more preachers than practitioners....But we just cant leave it saying we cant do much...We should try changing the way next generation comes up. :)
@Priya - Yenakku kidaikuliyenu oru varutham than :( Pothu nalathilum oru suya nalam :) Yes it is a shame for us...MSM would not occur during adam and eve times because adam cant find anyother person other than eve :)
You are right, I too feel curiosity plays a important role in pulling more and more people in to MSM. People follow only customs that are convenient and call themselves conservative.
@Usha - Homosexual people try to attract curious young people and make them involved. They just use their curiousity to satisfy their pleasure. By doing this they are spreading interest in homosexulity to that ignorant youth. If the youth is allowed to date, he would rather try searching for a date.
@Syam - Neenga theliva than irukeenga...parkalam Mughil kalathla yenna aaguthunu :)
Neenga adivaganumnu irutha yaarala thaduka mudiyum :)
At August 31, 2006 8:41 PM, KK said…
@Kanya - Welcome!!! and thanks let us know your your views. Parents Dating'kku allow panna I think it will help it to reduce a bit though not fully. I agree with you, parents allow pannurangalo illaiyo naama atha thirutu thanama pannathan porom...but why not the parents accepting it like how the parents in other countries agree...
Here the emphasis was not on others but it was on people thinking that person as gay...I would'nt like anyne thnking me as gay, I feel disgusted...Hope your getting what I saying here...I agree with you that we need to go by what we want and not by what others think :)
In homosexuals there are two ways how people get involved in it, one is by biological precoding and other is people are forced to take part and they become addicted to it. So I was aiming at adressing the problem faced in the second category. Its becoming more in India as there are more desperate people in India because of culture and other reasons. These desperate people fall as the primary prey for homosexual deeds.
Well this "u dont have to be extra careful" attitude is what is causing the increase of HIV in MSM's. I never knew that HIV can be transmitted through homosexual relationship, came to know that its possible only after reading this article.
Correct'a sonneenga...India'la intha Karpu, kalacharam'lam vittutu sex education should be improved...we can improve a lot of things in this front.
Full acceptance for the last paragraph :)
Thanks for taking the pain of expressing your views...Hope to see you around and more of your comments :)
Starry - Oh yeah! Indians just like to hide behind the word pure...Yes, I agree with you completely that once people stop hiding, the awareness will be more and atleast then HIV will be spreading less.
@S0ulasylum - Oh yeah 10% is surely lots. Is'nt it shocking???Thats the main reason why I posted this...Yup high time to increase AIDS awareness...I am not blaming the lack of boy-girl relationship for homosexuality. I feel it is also a factor which might influence. I feel it increases the curiosity about the opposite sex and after some time it might even make a person desperate. Which might incfluence a person into venturing into homosexuality. Mez all set for your crank comments...Fire them whenever you are comfy...Well its a good use of news reading, its all from a single news article :)
@Kanya - Niruthatheenga...pongite irunga... :) Aiya!!! Syam'a konjam control panna oru aal vanthachu... :)
At August 31, 2006 9:35 PM, Keshi said…
a culture cant be pure unless it's ppl r pure. And no culture is 100% pure and has 100% pure ppl.
Keshi.
At August 31, 2006 10:35 PM, KK said…
@Keshi - Wow!! Teriffic!!! Short and powerful statement :)
At August 31, 2006 11:06 PM, Kanya said…
@kk
u r rite kk... it is an attitude issue... innonnum irukku.. even if my parents accept me dating.. and if i happen to sleep with my date.. wud i be comfortable enuf to talk to my mom abt it!!
Well this is were i wanted to stress... sex is truely chemistry.. but being a straight or gay is once emotional cycles.. i wrote a very short post abt it sometime back..
http://goldenbullets.blogspot.com/2006/06/thought-on-sex-change.html
but there is a lot that goes into this transformation than just sex education.. it is about the way our parents think!! i am not sure if we can change that ... but hopefully we could see the whole sex thing differently from how our parents looked at it...
I don't consider love or sex to be something divine.. so to me it is not a sacred taboo that i should be sharing only with the person i end up being married ... i should be able to talk to my family and friends abt it without hesitation!!
again.. sex education might give a perspective of what is right and and what is wrong... but it might not open up ur minds abt sharing it.. it is an inhibition that we need to break!!
pathiniya irundathaan nadu kenathula bucket nikkum... (mukki mukki .. keezha vizhudha apple moraichu paathu Newton sonna law've fraud'nu solra maathiri oru katha!!) sonnathum maduraiye pathikittu eriyum'nu ellam brain wash panna patta samuthayam!! its centuries of history kk... we have miles to go!!
hehe.. kavalai padaatheenga.. pongurathai ellam control panrathe illa.. padikiravanga thalai vali athu ellam.. (naan ezhuthinathe naane padikka maatene!!)
At September 01, 2006 1:18 AM, Has to be me said…
KK,
Agree with u on changing the next generation but then HOW??
Yes, we can be open with them by creating more awareness & explain the pros & cons & highlight the negative aspects etc but u think it will end the HIV rate or MSM?
Or do u think by encouraging dating, MSM/HIv is gonna reduce?
At September 01, 2006 1:31 AM, Pavithra said…
@kanya - Nice thoughts. "I don't consider love or sex to be something divine" .. Leave aside "divinity"..its considered a "sin". I just wonder of various customs where we are said to be impure after sex. How can an act which creates a life be considered a sin? Why the hell did God create men and women, if we're forbidden to enjoy sex? Unanswered questions..
At September 01, 2006 2:00 AM, golmaalgopal said…
yup...very true...even i saw dat report...but i think things r slowly changing...ppl are slowly coming to terms upon girl-boy relationship...i don't think encouraging dating alone 'll do any magic...ppl should be open-minded...
At September 01, 2006 5:39 AM, Himavan said…
Thought provoking post! "Kanya" has explained it better abt sex thing. Ofcourse people are to be educated which indeed need lot of time.
Homosexuality and talking about it is bit open here in germany.And to tell ya, we have a "gay" colleague...:P
At September 01, 2006 6:16 AM, Kanya said…
@pavitra: illa pavitra... its not a sin... because "sex" is related to karppu.. and "marriage" is related to culture... so its all considered to be divine.. and so sharing an experience with someone u r not married to is a sin...
correction.. no one is considered impure after having a sexual exposure... but a sexual exposure that the society does not approve of is considered dirty..
Consider these situations:
(1) a widow who had a happy fulfilling life for 3 years
(2) a divorcee who had a active sexual life for the same 3 years
(3) an open minded couple still living together for the last 3 years
(4) a gal gang raped for just 3 hours..
All these 4 situations involve sex.. the act is the same.. but is still not viewed in the same sense..
I am even glad that widow remarriages are becoming an accepted concept.. still ppl think abt widow remarriage only if she is too young and / or does not have kids!!!
divorcees are still criticized, blamed and in some cases even humiliated!!
living together?? not a chance.. she doesn't have a mangalsutra!!
Rape... gosh.. those monsters would have rapped her once... but the media and the society will strip her everday everymin!!!
All that matters is some soverign of gold thatz been approved over a ritual hanging over the gals neck reminding her abt all those dirty things that the culture put on her.
But is marriage a solution.. can't married ppl be involved in extra marital affairs.. ??
so the world is big.. possibilities are plenty.. but the choice is ours... hopefully i would be able to look into my kids eyes and talk to them abt sex without being a obstacle myself!!
@Contended... why did u double quote gay?? I don't think being gay is dirty or filty.. yeah when a straight guy is mis-understood for being gay .. i can understand the discomfort.. but being gay is as such quite natural...
I really appreciate ppl who have fought their way through their own inhibition abt sex and society and the fact that they are able to accept their sexuality as it is and not try to fake it means that they are quite aware of it.
but i think the concern here is abt the ppl who act gay.. b'coz they think it is easy and not risky!!!
At September 01, 2006 9:34 AM, Unknown said…
hey indha dating nu sonna innavo oru datela oru payannum ponnum oru room podaradhunu oru ennam irukku!!!!!!!!!
yes we in chennai are conservative. But I don't see why our society should in that aspect. Evalo lovers parentsku dumikki kududthutt odi poidragna ippo ellam. Kekka ve rome kashtama irukku! :( Let chennai be the same!!
and regarding Homosexuals, it is their right. but, it's disgusting too at the same time!
At September 01, 2006 10:29 AM, s0ulasylum said…
kk: Hey,I didnt read thru all the comments.. but one q for u.. is this being made a moral issue.. by brnging in culture n stuff..? i mean seriosuly to each his own right.. so y be purists and judge anyone coz they are homosexual.. all tht shd matter to the world is the AIDS part of it.. and how to prevent more n more beinng affected by it.. rest of the stuff is personal choice ryt? and its a free world afterall who are we to say anythg! :)
At September 01, 2006 2:54 PM, Himavan said…
Oh, you misunderstood it man. I only mean to say I am working along with a real gay not the one people might think he is...:(
At September 02, 2006 10:03 AM, Prasanna Parameswaran said…
Hey KK nice post, I too dont necessarily agree any longer in shying away from the concept of dating! But beware encouraging people to date alone is not going to help - what is required is an awareness of what are the common issues and problems associated with STD(sexually transmitted diseases) - The biggest loophole on this is lack of proper sex education in our system. It doesnt matter when we are not taught properly during school, but I think atleast in college when you are hanging precariously on the walls of adoloscence and maturity -we need to have a mandatory sex education hour atleast once a week in all colleges. Maybe that can help! Or atleast we can have community centers in all towns and districts and encourage people to discuss and know more abt the sex - which people dont do just because they are shy and reluctant to ask someone!
At September 02, 2006 10:23 PM, Syam said…
@kanya & pavithra....
sabash sariyaana potti...thodarunga yaagathai :-)
At September 02, 2006 11:13 PM, Kavi said…
Interesting post and i guess you've got a lot of folks thinking. Culture plays a crucial role in society.
With the power of the media & ease of travel, the boundaries between geographies ( & so between cultures) become grey.
Thats when problems surface !!
At September 03, 2006 9:20 AM, gils said…
!!eppa...kanya enna vitta...unga commentslaye oru blog site open paniduvaanga pola :D enna achu makulemma..ambi patha serious post...inga athuku mela ooray seriousa suthuthu...!!! anyway..interesting topic...v go by BOYS song...D.A.T.I.N.G..... :D
At September 04, 2006 2:26 AM, Butterflies said…
I feel its all bcos of the social stigma..i feel when compared to chennai mumbai and delhi chennai is still conservative definitely!!!it can face changes for the better in a healthier way!!!!KK i feel ur blog is a sensible one!
At September 04, 2006 5:00 AM, Anonymous said…
Periyavangalaan sendhu romba seriousa discuss pannitirukkeenga.. Inga kozhandhaingalkkellam vela illanu theriyudhu.. Naan poittu adutha postukku varen :)
At September 04, 2006 8:15 AM, Unknown said…
@Venkatesh
Thank u for agreeing with me! :)
At September 04, 2006 11:50 AM, Syam said…
@G3,
//kozhandhaingalkkellam vela illanu theriyudhu//
yes yes kozhandhaingalukum velai illa...ungala maathiri pattis kum velai illa :-)
At September 04, 2006 12:02 PM, gils said…
@G3:
//kozhandhaingalkkellam vela illanu theriyudhu//
ROTFL...aiyo paavam..naan onum sollalapa...
At September 04, 2006 12:04 PM, gils said…
@syam:
thala...oru vaasagam sonnalum thiruvaasagam sonnenga ponga...ungaluku puliyodarai n thodhivanam parcel confirmed...kai vasam cash kammingarathala...stamp ottama anupi iruken...chamatha micham vaikama chaaputranum..
At September 05, 2006 1:53 AM, Jeevan said…
meeting nadantha, inne dating nadakum (meetingka vaziyakanum apuram enga dating :))). when we put hand on girls shoulder its look in wrong way in India, but in US its different. Nice post bro:)
At September 05, 2006 2:33 AM, Anonymous said…
Syam : //ungala maathiri pattis kum velai illa//
Ungala maadiri kollu thaathakkalukku thaan inga vela jaasthinnu nallavae theriyudhu.. :)
At September 05, 2006 9:41 AM, Syam said…
//Ungala maadiri kollu thaathakkalukku thaan//
@G3, ithu thaan unga comment ah irukumnu naan expect pannen athu thaan vandhuruku... :-)
At September 05, 2006 10:15 AM, Anonymous said…
Syam : What to do Thuppariyum Sambu is always lucky to get his guessings right :P
At September 06, 2006 1:54 AM, Has to be me said…
Enna leave-ah? I mean from blogosphere.....what happened? where u?
At September 06, 2006 10:38 AM, KK said…
Wow! So many comments to catch up...tonite is siva raathiri for me :)....Will catch up soon... :)
I was out on a vacation. Just came back today :)
At September 06, 2006 6:14 PM, Keshi said…
G'day KK how have ya been?
Keshi.
At September 06, 2006 8:36 PM, KK said…
@Kanya - I read your post on sex change, It was a nice post. I agree with you that we need more than sex education. Regarding how parents feel about talking about sex. Though I dont think we can change the way how parents think currently. But surely we can change the way how open we are to our kids, if each of us are going to change for that.
Sonnathum Madurai yeriyara kathai yellam ippo yaarum namba maatanga. So if we change, then the next generation will atleast someone to talk too. :)
@Has to be me - Well we need to be open to the children, they need to
feel comfortable to talk about anything. Yes, I feel creating an
awareness and highlighting the negative aspects will surely reduce HIV rate. It wont get eradicated but atleast it will get reduced. Encouraging dating might reduce MSM which in turn might reduce HIV.
@Pavithra - I second Kanya, Sex makes a person impure only when sex had is not accepted by the public, else it is divine. :)
@Golmaalgopal - Yes things are changing, but we also need to talk to people and try to increase the awareness. Encouraging dating alone will not do the magic but it will reduce the occurance. People in our generation can start to become open minded :)
@Contended - Welcome here Contended!! Hope to see you around. Talking about homosexuality and sex has become more open to an extent in India too. :)
At September 06, 2006 11:41 PM, gils said…
G3 kuzhandhai paavam...datingna ennanu therilaiyaam..athunaala thaan silenta poitaangalaam...neengalum knayavum thaan intha topicla thesis panra alavuku pirchi menjiteengalla...explain maadi
At September 07, 2006 12:51 AM, Has to be me said…
Hmm ur kids will be lucky as u wud be encouraging them 2 date!!! ;)
At September 07, 2006 1:24 AM, Keshi said…
good ta.
:)
Keshi.
At September 07, 2006 5:33 AM, Ganesh Ranganathan said…
Homosexuality is quite prevalent in the animal world too....hence It is not a matter of choice, there has to be a genetic basis for it....
I think more awareness would help in fighting AIDS and wiping it from the face of earth
At September 07, 2006 7:33 AM, prithz said…
Seri KK, adhudha posta ah podunga boss... illati unnoru BS icecream add pannidhuven.. alridi, u owe me 2!!!
At September 07, 2006 10:56 AM, Anonymous said…
KK : Enna full swingla vandhirukkeenga pola longgg weekenda mudichittu.. :)
//Ippadilam senja ungala naanga kuzhanthigal list'la serthuduvomnu ninaichingla??? nadakathu... :)//
Neenga othukkalana naanga andha listla illanu aayiduma?? No chance... :))
Gils : //G3 kuzhandhai paavam...datingna ennanu therilaiyaam//
Ungalukkum dhaana therila.. adha en sollama vittuteenga? Ungalukku therinjirundha neengalae explain panna vendiyadhu dhaana? Japanla irundhu jackie chan pesaradha officukku phonea pottu otta mattum dhaan theriyum ungalukku :p
At September 07, 2006 11:15 AM, gils said…
aapichla apdiye parama saadhu mathiri fone pesineenga..ipo ena udhaar
At September 07, 2006 11:24 AM, Anonymous said…
Adhellam kandukka koodaadhu.. aapicela naan nijamaavae saadhu dhaan... :p
At September 07, 2006 11:28 AM, KK said…
@Gils - Kelvi ketkurathu easy...bathil sollurathu yevaluv kashtam theriyuma??? :) So bathil Kanya solliduvanga...;)
@Has to be me - athukelam innum niraya naal irukku...By then it will become a norm :)
@Keshi - :)
@Ganesh - //Homosexuality is quite prevalent in the animal world too//
Is it??? Its news to me...yup only awareness will help to eradicate AIDS.
@Prithz - Innoru BS ice-cream'a??? Seekiramave potuduren ma... :)
@G3 - namakku intha swing, spin'lam theriyathunga... :) Vote vechu paarpoma??? How many of you think G3 is a Kuzhanthai??? :)
@Gils - Kannal paarpathum poi kaadhaal ketpathum poi...theera visaripathe mei... :)
At September 07, 2006 11:57 AM, BlueByrd said…
Now i ain't gaat no clue bout Pagan values and view on sex with beasts !!!...But I would like to turn your attention to the following laws from The Holy Bible( King James Version) ...These Laws are from The Lord himself. The book of Leviticus( Esp. verse 23 on sex with beasts !) Chapter 18 from the Old Testament....=>
Le:18:1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Le:18:2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
Le:18:3: After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
Le:18:4: Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
Le:18:5: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
Le:18:6: None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
Le:18:7: The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Le:18:8: The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
Le:18:9: The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
Le:18:10: The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
Le:18:11: The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Le:18:12: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
Le:18:13: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
Le:18:14: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
Le:18:15: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
Le:18:16: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
Le:18:17: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
Le:18:18: Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
Le:18:19: Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
Le:18:20: Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.
Le:18:21: And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
Le:18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Le:18:23: Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Le:18:24: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Le:18:25: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
Le:18:26: Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
Le:18:27: (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
Le:18:28: That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
Le:18:29: For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
Le:18:30: Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.
May the reader decide from this moment on and May the Good Lord lead everyone in righteousness so that they sin no more !
Thanks for the window of opportunity so I could bring these powerful verses to one and all. Remeber The Good Lord sends his Love to ya'll today. Have a great life everyone !
At September 07, 2006 12:02 PM, Syam said…
KK, indha neelaparavai annan yaaru unga friend ah :-)
At September 07, 2006 12:04 PM, Anonymous said…
KK : //Vote vechu paarpoma??//
"Aayiram kaigal maraithaalum aadhavan maraivadhillai".. Ethana per G3kku edhira kalla vottu pottalum G3 - kozhandha dhaan :p
At September 07, 2006 12:13 PM, KK said…
@Syam - neela paravai yenna sollavararu yenakku onnum puriyala...avar yaarunu theriyala...avar blog ponalum ithe mathiri than yetho yezhuthi irukku... :)
@G3 - Palarnu adicha feeling irukku yenakku... :)
At September 07, 2006 12:16 PM, Anonymous said…
aiyaiyo.. idhukku naan poruppaali illa.. :( Sorry if anything was wrong on my statement..
At September 07, 2006 12:39 PM, Syam said…
G3, //aadhavan maraivadhillai//
neenga enna SUN TV owner ku sondhama :-)
At September 07, 2006 1:05 PM, Anonymous said…
Syam : Vellai kodiya adhukkulla erakitteengala?? Idhu enna kadhaiya irukku.. SUN TV owneroda sondhakaaranga mattum dhaan suriyana pathi pesanuma enna? TOO MUCH..
At September 07, 2006 1:09 PM, KK said…
Syam, G3 ippo katchi maari irupanga...solla mudiyathu thamizh pulamai irukrathu naala DMK'la serthurupanga... :) as thamizh kudimagan replacement... :)
At September 07, 2006 1:15 PM, Anonymous said…
En thamizh pulamailaan naan padikkara novel valathu vittadhu dhaan saami.. enna ippadi arasaiyallalaan vambukkizhukkaadheenga.. :( Namakku andha pakkam onnumae theriyaadhu... :(
At September 07, 2006 1:36 PM, Syam said…
G3, //Vellai kodiya adhukkulla erakitteengala//
ithu vellai kodi yetharathuku munnadi sonnadhu....time stamp paarunga... :-)
At September 07, 2006 1:44 PM, Anonymous said…
Syam : Adhaana nattama sonna sol thavara maataarae.. :)
At September 07, 2006 1:50 PM, KK said…
G3 Syamku ice podureengala?? ;)
At September 07, 2006 1:54 PM, Syam said…
//Adhaana nattama sonna sol thavara maataarae//
G3,
apdiye kooda BGM pottu irundha nalla irukum :-)
At September 07, 2006 2:05 PM, Anonymous said…
KK : //Syamku ice podureengala??// Adhisayama oruthar vella kodi thooki irukkar.. avara paarattina dhaana thirumba indha policya vera yaaravadhu follow pannuvaanga :)
Syam : //apdiye kooda BGM pottu irundha nalla irukum//
Adhellam neengalae padikkum bodhu include pannikkuveengannu nenachen :)
At September 07, 2006 2:15 PM, Syam said…
//Adhellam neengalae padikkum bodhu include pannikkuveengannu nenachen//
pinna vera.............cha indha vella kodi vera vandhu thadukuthu :-)
At September 07, 2006 2:20 PM, Anonymous said…
Syam : Seri seri tension aavaadheenga.. :) Adutha vaatila irundhu correcta BGM pottudaren.. :)
At September 07, 2006 2:26 PM, KK said…
Syam, andha dialogue complete pannidunga...yen thalaiye vedichudum pola irukku...(like janakaraj in Sindu bairavi) :)
At September 07, 2006 2:31 PM, Anonymous said…
Ha... KK, once again 75.... Innum oru 50 porkaasugal :) [This time only western union money transfer.. no FedEx :)]
At September 07, 2006 3:08 PM, KK said…
G3, yenakku kathu ketkala...err..sorry kannu theriyala :)
At September 07, 2006 3:52 PM, Syam said…
G3, ivar kitta irundha onnum kidaikaathu...meeri ketta atha a/c vechuka solvaar appuram andha a/c note ah...ungalukey therium :-)
At September 07, 2006 3:52 PM, Syam said…
KK,
//andha dialogue complete pannidunga...yen thalaiye vedichudum pola irukku//
panren panren innum oru 4 days kalichu :-)
At September 07, 2006 4:13 PM, Anonymous said…
KK : //sorry kannu theriyala//
Yeppa.. sandhosam.. appo inimae en commenta padichu reply panna maateenga :)
syam ://meeri ketta atha a/c vechuka solvaar appuram andha a/c note ah...ungalukey therium // Avarae KD.. Avarukku neenga eduthu vera kudukkareengalakkum?
//panren panren innum oru 4 days kalichu :-)//
KK nalla pulla.. innum 2 naalla idha pathi marandhuduvaaraam :))
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