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Monday, February 05, 2007

Pedagogy sans purpose

Well,I thought I will talk about the back bone of India for this post. Education. India is well known for the quality of education. We have one of the best standards of education in the World. This high standard in education has put India on the global map. Though it gives a lot of happiness to see India being accepted worldwide for it excellence in various fields such as Medicine, IT, Business, Rocket science and Nuclear energy, I feel the kind of education or the way of education we under go is not good enough.
If you see in the current education system, it does not matter how much you have understood and what you learnt. All that everyone needs is high marks. I feel its no point getting marks in 90's and 100 when someone did not understand the concepts underlying in something that was learnt.
Recently, I was talking to a person who had excelled in studies during his childhood.The topic went to Chemistry and I was telling him that I used to be scared of Chemistry as I found organic Chemistry very tough and more of a memory test, when compared to physical and inorganic Chemistry. He then told me that he too used to feel the same but everything changed when he went for tuition and his teacher taught him so well that he started to enjoy Chemistry so much. He literally fell in love with Chemistry ever since then.
Another instance was when I was talking to one of my friend. We were talking about Automobile engineering, and I was telling her something and asked her if she remembered that we studied this during our engineering. For which she said that she studied only in exam point of view. Of course she had scored more than me but purpose of learning was defeated when the concept was not learnt.
So it depends on how a subject is being thought. And I feel importance should be given to understanding the concepts than how much marks are scored. Is marks a good way to evaluate the knowledge that a person gained? Does high marks mean that the person has understood everything? But many times I have seen there are many mediocre students who have better knowledge than most of the high scoring students.
How many schools focus on improving an average student. The importance is given more to the brilliant students or the borderline students. The brilliant students are helped to do even better so that they gets some ranks which will rub on the educational institution too. Meanwhile the border line students are given more attention so that every one clears the exam and there by increasing the pass percentage of the educational institution. So what about the average students who have been scoring in 60's? If extra attention is given to them they would be scoring in 80's.
I am not a great believer of a belief that says that some children are more brilliant than another children. I believe that its all to do with the interest that the individual child has. If a child is interested in something, he/she will surely excel in it, if his/her parents and teachers encourage her/him in that line. As a child I used to score well in Physics than Chemistry because I was more interested in it.
I feel it is high time that our educational system is revived because it is no point increasing the number of doctors, engineers, architects, pharmacists or other professionals produced when the quality of professionals produced has been diminishing at a constant rate. Montessori method of schooling is a welcome change as it discourages the use of traditional ways of measuring achievements (grades, tests).

Varta...

90 Comments:

  • At February 05, 2007 9:36 AM, Blogger Arunkumar said…

    katchi vaazga

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:36 AM, Blogger Syam said…

    secong...katchi vaalka vaalka :-)

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:37 AM, Blogger Syam said…

    spelling mishhtake :-)

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:51 AM, Blogger Sat said…

    ada paavame...at a time solli vecha maari vandhu irukkaanga?!
    wait...padichittu varen

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:53 AM, Blogger Sat said…

    'Pedagogy'
    post padikka pona first i had to google for this!
    inni varaikum kelvi pattadhe illa :-|
    sari....learnt one word today thank you
    P.S: hope the entire post isn't as cryptic

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:57 AM, Blogger Sat said…

    // many mediocre students who have better knowledge than most of the high scoring students//
    Correct!
    I second it :)
    My mom never understood this though :D

     
  • At February 05, 2007 10:05 AM, Blogger Sat said…

    Now coming to the point. You kind of lingered off in the middle, the way you started off I thought you’d say marks were not meant to be important, what was important was the person’s grasp of the concept, but then you lingered off stating otherwise :-/
    Okie…But are the students being tested in the way they should be?
    Are these marks/grades truly a measure of how well the student has understood what has been taught? Nope, I don’t think so. Quite frankly, the examinations, at least in state board, encourage mugging to a great extent. The application of the knowledge that has been gained is limited. All that a student has to do is to read the book cover to cover and reproduce it in the answer sheet!
    It’s a mere test of memory. Instead, questions should be set such that the person should arrive at the solution by ‘using’ what he/she has learnt. One should test the capability of the individual to think, not the ability to memorise. And thereby train the person to achieve this.

     
  • At February 05, 2007 10:09 AM, Blogger Sat said…

    And not to mention the kind of importance given to presentation....uggghh!
    you see people coming to the exam hall armed like bludy micheal angelos! Goes a long way in saying how well the teachers evaluate :-|

     
  • At February 05, 2007 10:38 AM, Blogger Arunkumar said…

    nice post. out system is full of mugging and vomitting till 12th and presentation in college. not sure if there are professors who actually read 40 odd pages and then evaluate?

    the only subject which i liked the most in school is Maths. rest everything are in the above mentioned category only :(

    I felt 12th entrance exams was the only good thing where u dont have to write for pages. objective types... it made u think and guess what, Govt didnt like students to think. they have removed the entrance exams (in the name of spreading education to villages.. damn)

    thats exactly the reason why i salute ppl joining IITs fighting to get good knowledge inspite of all these crappy system !!

     
  • At February 05, 2007 12:40 PM, Blogger Kittu said…

    adadaaa....education...enakku konjam alergyaana topic dhaan :)

    Everyones mentality is to score marks. Maths answers ellaam kooda mug pannum aatkal undu. Indian system as you said is unbeatable in the world. But they have to be taught to make the students understand the concepts really well. Illana enna maadhiri vegaadha dosai maadhiri dhaan irupaanga..if i can think about what i studied and have benefited, it is nothing but a total zero..hmm venumnaa ABCD theriyum, 123 theriyum nu perumaya sollalaam...but the intentions behind a subject is completely lost. Education vs work has no relationship these days. Ellathayum padichuttu kadasila computer kuppaikku dhaan vandhu vizaraanga...seriously, dont know where the later generation is going to be..enough of computers..

    padichadhukku meaningful work kidaikara maadhiri oru generation varanum...paarpom enna aagudhunnu...

     
  • At February 05, 2007 12:47 PM, Blogger Kittu said…

    my most favorite subject is also Maths. Maths thavira endha bookayum thoda maattaen...mathadhellam erachalodu padichu oppathiduvaen..

    andha paaza pona 12th exam timela world cup vera vandhu saavadichadhu..night ellaam wait panni padichano illayo, match kaaga wait panna naatkalai ninaithu paarthaal arumai:)

    ippo ellaam endha veetla kaetaalum en payyan 1st rank dhaan vaangaraanu solraanga...ellarumae kalakaraanga..put kandippa purinju mark vaangaramaari ellam enakku padala...pasanga memory ellam gummu gummunu irukku..but japan kaarangala paarthalae oru nadukkam varudhu..they know exactly what they are doing...they have superior knowledge in whatever area they are in..andha maadhiri india pasanga irundhaa endha kobanum nammala adichukka mudiyaadhu

     
  • At February 05, 2007 1:52 PM, Blogger SKM said…

    //I believe that its all to do with the interest that the individual child has.//
    This point is very valid point.
    avanga avanga interest illama nothing you can achieve.60% podhum nu ninacha avlodhan .merkondu try pannanum nu individual effort venum,adhu nalla teacher o, parents o yar vandhalum varadhu.
    But our system is just mugging and throwing up on to the paper. adhuvum maranum.yeppo?

     
  • At February 05, 2007 8:08 PM, Blogger Drama Div@ said…

    india has become the market mover, one of the biggest emerging-market countries in the world!! way to go, India!!

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:02 PM, Blogger Syam said…

    //Pedagogy//

    itha paathu bayandhathu thaan KK...innum padikave illa :-)

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:03 PM, Blogger Syam said…

    adhichu puduchi kaalaila aapcee pona udaney online dictionary open panni vechutu padichitu solren :-)

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:03 PM, Blogger Syam said…

    naa thaan paanju(15) :-)

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:23 PM, Blogger மு.கார்த்திகேயன் said…

    Attendace KK :-))

     
  • At February 05, 2007 9:24 PM, Blogger மு.கார்த்திகேயன் said…

    KK, puthusu puthusa Niraiya ezhutharappaa, padichch pinnaadi brain Nallaththan valaruthu, blog title mathiri :-)

     
  • At February 05, 2007 10:15 PM, Blogger Ganesh Ranganathan said…

    I think our education system totally sucks. Instead of giving priority to develop language skills which we will use all our lives, Indian schooling concentrated more on technical knowledge. Here too, only theoritical knowledge is imparted and the practicals are not given much importance..

     
  • At February 05, 2007 10:27 PM, Blogger KK said…

    @Arun & Syam - Ore time'la first comment potathukku aaluku oru quarter and Chicken varuval :)

    @Sat - //hope the entire post isn't as cryptic//
    Namakku intha hi fi english'lam varathunga :) so no kavalais
    Yeah no parent agrees that mediocre students are more knowledgable than high scoring students :)
    Did I lingered off??? hmmm I thought I did mean to say that marks are not meant to be important, instead grasping the concept is more important. But from your comment I feel I did convey it the way I had intended to :) I actually wanted to talk why every parent want their kids to get 1st rank, but I guess I had strayed off from the topic...
    Yeah I agree fully that the state board surely encourages students to mug and vomit... Which I always struggled to do so :) You views on how an exam should be is exactly my thought..
    Exactly about the Michealangelo skills that people display on their anser sheets... I used to feel lazy to draw using a pencil too, I used to draw with my pen itself. No wonder I was never a high scoring student :)

     
  • At February 05, 2007 10:44 PM, Blogger KK said…

    @Arun - I too doubt if there are any professors who read through the whole answer sheet. Actually the prof's are paid based on the number of papers that they evaluate... so I doubt if any one will read the whole answer sheet.
    Yeah Entrance exam was a good thing that was there now even that is not there.... So it is a paradise for people who are good at mugging...
    I have a lot of respect for people from IIT, they are really sound in whatever field there are in.

    @Kittu - Correct'a soneenga Kittu... even I have seen people who mug even maths including the answers... Neegale vagatha dosai na naan verum dosai maavu than :)
    Work is more market driven so padichathu yetha maathiri velai paakurathu depends on the market. If there are enough openings in their own field I dont think people will change their field. Naanum computer kuppaila vizhunthavan than :)
    Japan mattum illai, I have seen people in US too who are concrete in the knowledge they have. They are not multi faceted like Indians but whatever they know, they know very well.

     
  • At February 05, 2007 10:48 PM, Blogger starry nights said…

    Interesting post and I have to agree with you.so much importance is given about obtaining the highest marks and about memorizing. I did well in most of the subjects just by memorizing but hated math because I did not fully understand the concept and could not memorize.

     
  • At February 05, 2007 10:48 PM, Blogger KK said…

    @SKM - Amaam SKM unless the individual has interest nothing much can be done... To change the mugging practice.. the way children are educated should change... there should be more field trip... project work to learn things in young age...etc.. So yenga katchike vote podunga :)

    @Drama Diva - Go India Go!! Thanks Drama Diva :) So nice of you :)

    @Syam - Ithukellam neenga bhayapadalama?? :D Porumaiyave vanthu padinga :)
    Paanju'ku oru chicken leg piece :)

    @M.Karthikeyan - Porumaiyave vathu padinga... naanum unga blog varanumm romba naal aachu :)

    @Ganesh - To tell the truth in the corporate world, we indians lack the communication skill, We are good technically but we find it difficult to put it forward the right way. I feel we need to improve the communication. The way concepts are taught should be changed.

     
  • At February 05, 2007 10:50 PM, Blogger KK said…

    @Starry - Nice to see someone agree to the fact Starry. I am sure as a parent you would have taken care that your kids dont memorize and instead understand the concepts.

     
  • At February 05, 2007 11:08 PM, Blogger Karthik B.S. said…

    quarter century! :)

     
  • At February 05, 2007 11:31 PM, Blogger Shiva said…

    How true is your post. The essence is education, true to its meaning must be not bring out what is with in one self and not in stuffing. Learning should be based more on experience rather than just scoring high marks. I think, there are already thoughts in India to change the evaluation criteria, to stop evaluation. The kind of peer pressure kids go through is terrible that the pressure we undergo when our best friend from your team puts his paper.

     
  • At February 06, 2007 1:06 AM, Blogger Isha said…

    I believe u are partly wrong... I dont think grades are quite as obsolete as many people make them out to be. I think the other alternative method of studying can be just as damaging. Surely someone who scored 100% has a greater understanding than someone who scored 80% or 70% as far as him or her having lesser understanding than someone who scored 96% is purely attributable to the 'error' factor that all facets of our life are exposed to. :)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 1:27 AM, Blogger Has to be me said…

    Interesting post KK!

    Ya sometimes our education sucks like u correctly pointed out. But then if the marks & grades were abolished what wld be the basis of judging the better perfomer? At least fr the sake of mugging, we go thru the rigmarole of studying & if not 100%, atleast 50% of the subject matter gets into a persons' understanding I suppose.

    Now that u've pointed out the problem...devise a good solution too! :)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 1:46 AM, Blogger gils said…

    //
    itha paathu bayandhathu thaan KK...innum padikave illa :-) //

    ROTFL...hahaha...epdinga..room poatu yosipeengala...
    pedagogy..eppovo padicha term..arthamay maranthu poachu..wordwebla searchinen...and btw...this is one topic very close to my heart...polambi thallalaamnu oru post romba naala pendingla poatu vachirunthen..neenga semma decenta poatuteenga... :D dito on the so-called average students vs bright ones...schoolam nalla padikaravangala vachu per vaangika thaan irukay thavira...sumaara padikaavangala improve panna kandipa ila..ella schoolum 100% pass percentage...twenty people gettin centum..apdilaam thaan advertise panikaraanga..elitist attitude..especially CBSE schools...ennoda entire school life got screwed up because of this...what they destroyed in me in a span of 5 years...i am still struggling to rebuild it..but wen i got a chance to teach during my college days...i made sure that i dint repeat the mistakes of my teachers...my best gift till date is the card given to me by students...adhula half-yearly varaikum cup adichi board examla 88 vaangina oru student oda sign iruku with a drop of tear on it..ennikaachum ennoda schoolla ethavathu functionuku chief guesta povennu enaku oru abarimidhamaana nambikkai...annniki ennoda teachers enga irunthaalum avangala kootindu vanthu antha card kaatanum...that would be the day for me...huh...agony aunt column mahtiri aakiten..saary... :)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 1:50 AM, Blogger Hell's Angel said…

    Yeah u r right..its high time some change is brought in our system.. also i think the course structure should be altered and it should make the students competent to face the world than fighting among themselves to score better.. the time we study and pass out,most of the subject goes obsolete if v take computers 4 ex..
    I loved organic chemistry a lot.. and i learned its not abt mugging but its abt understanding thanks to CBSE.. but when i migrated to stateboard i was forced to do all mugging..:-( THINGS HAVE TO BE CHANGED RIGHT 4M SCRATCH

     
  • At February 06, 2007 4:28 AM, Blogger Sat said…

    KK;
    the drawing bit
    once my chemistry teacher remarked
    'you know girl, test tubes are a lot straighter than that in the lab!'
    hehehe....konal maanala appadi oru deformed test tube en answer sheet-la...in fact the whole apparatus!
    i told her see, i anyway have the answer right, the diagram is also right, everything's in place, only a bit deformed may be...can't i be a poor scientist? :D
    melum keezhum paathuttu mark pottutaanga, i was her fav student adhu thaan avalo kozhuppu. but she also sent a note home saying i need to concentrate on tidyness....my mom said exactly, go clean ur room!!!!
    "you are solving the wrong problem!!!!"

     
  • At February 06, 2007 4:48 AM, Blogger Bharani said…

    Very True...Very True...Very True......Examku mattume book eduthavanra muraila sollikaren....very very true :)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 4:50 AM, Blogger Bharani said…

    maths-a egapatta therom ellam padichi iruken...ippa pytogoras therom kooda nyabagam illa....calculasnu oru topic...indha peru thavira eduvume gyabagam illa....yenna...ellam thattitu poi ezhudinadhu....

     
  • At February 06, 2007 4:52 AM, Blogger Bharani said…

    I also differ in the notion that education system in India is one of the best......

    I feel that becoz of the bright minded ppl....we have created an image that oru education is best....our school education is one among the worst...aprt from few exceptions....it is preparing clerks for the world

     
  • At February 06, 2007 4:54 AM, Blogger Bharani said…

    just becoz more emphasis is on marks...we are not inventing anything new...we are in the top of IT now...but did we invented any new technologies, languages....nothing.....we are masters of what is already being established....

     
  • At February 06, 2007 4:54 AM, Blogger golmaalgopal said…

    wow...soober kk...naa idha dhaan oru 15 varushama sollitrukken...yaarum kandukka maatengaraanga....

    how much ever high stds. v have in our edu....dat is all with reg to syllabus...n d depth upto which v go in a particular topic only....certainly not with resp. to quality.


    bayangara passive education system....teacher book'la irukkardha appidiye solluvaanga...dat is jus transferred to us without even noticing wat it is....

    so one loses his/her focus...they dunno what they want to become or in wat they're good at...

    Atleast in exams they can set application based questions to test wat v've understood rather than wat v've mugged up....adhuvum illa...

    for eg.v had some part in physics(me the touchy with physics...)
    which was wrong...and v were told to write it d same way....

    montessori method really brings out d creativity of d students...but inga dhaan yaarume purinjukka maatengaraanga....right wen a child learns to spk some words parents want them to become phD's etc....hmmmm ennatha sollaradhu...

     
  • At February 06, 2007 4:56 AM, Blogger Bharani said…

    ivlo drawbacksum vachikitu innum namma education dhaan best solikaradhuku karanam....we have best minds in the world...avlove....

    Disci...all views expressed are purely mine....yaarum sandaiku vandhudateenga :)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 6:17 AM, Anonymous Lera said…

    KK, Rightly said !:) getting a degree or being a topper with A grades doesn't mean a person is practically talented ! It all depends on how a subject is being taught and how good the subject is understood in an individual capacity ,which makes all the difference..... Practical Talent & Aptitude is surely more important than the Tool( book knowledge).

     
  • At February 06, 2007 6:33 AM, Blogger smiley said…

    if u want to survive in india...
    mug for the exams...
    then try to apply it when u work if u still remember it. sad scene, what to do :)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 6:54 AM, Anonymous sree said…

    Good post!
    It is true that 'mugging and vomitting' is prevalent upto a level.But it all depends on a particular teacher or the school and less to do with the system as such.
    If you follow closely, you can see that each board is different in its outlook and expectations from the students.
    So the body that sets the curriculam and teaching method is very important and it cannot be generalised.
    The NCERT text books and the line of questioning in them are very differnt from the state board books.
    Most of the exercises given at the end of the prose lesson would never question anything directly.
    It would make us think and the highlight is there are no rt or wrong answers.
    It wld be like "what do u think Gita could have done in the situation instead of what she did in the narration?"
    I still remember a lesson called
    "A cup of tea" and the questions that would make us probe into the subtle feelings of the characters.
    In some areas mugging is also fun.I remember all the poems and the "seyyuls" only b'cos I was made to mug them up and repeat it many times.
    But as you said there is still room for improvement and the training for mediocre kids shd be given more importance.
    As someone here said mathematics is one subject where one cannot mug, but you shd be blessed to get a good teacher.
    Projects and assignments ,usage of the library shd be encouraged instead of the routine question- answer sessions.
    All said and done, these are only changes in the schooling system but it is a very difficult task setting a uniform system of evaluation. With each state having its own board and other independent boards all over India it is a huge challenge.
    But one shd not ignore the fact that the state board is mainly set keeping in mind the Govt.Schools and not the priveleged class who has access to extra help.

     
  • At February 06, 2007 8:41 AM, Blogger Syam said…

    //we under go is not good enough.If you see in the current education system, it does not matter how much you have understood and what you learnt. All that everyone needs is high marks//

    I totally agree with this...I didn't know the difference of education until I came into US...we can work for like 10 hrs and if were to present it we lack, where as people here can talk about their 10 min work for 2 hrs....

     
  • At February 06, 2007 8:45 AM, Blogger Syam said…

    //I found organic Chemistry very tough and more of a memory test//

    enaku ithey problem...esp chem lab la exam ku copper sulphate varanumnu lab attendant ku kaasu kuduthu ready panniduven :-)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 8:46 AM, Blogger Syam said…

    //Montessori method of schooling is a welcome change as it discourages the use of traditional ways of measuring achievements (grades, tests).//

    its really a good way of bringing out children's own talent...rather naan Dr ku padikanumnu aasai patten athunaala ennoda son ah padikka veikarennu uyira vaangarathuku :-)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 11:31 AM, Blogger G3 said…

    Happa.. Was watching on my clock to stuck 12 to comment on ur post.. :-)

    Ini namma commentu mazhai thodarum :-)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 11:32 AM, Blogger G3 said…

    Sat sonna maadiri eduthavodanae title-kku artham paakavae word web use panna vendiyadhaa pochu :-)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 11:36 AM, Blogger G3 said…

    //I feel its no point getting marks in 90's and 100 when someone did not understand the concepts underlying in something that was learnt.//
    Hehe.. Idha padichadhum enakku indha incident nyaabagam vandhuduchu :-)

    Actualla en friend oruthanukku avonada MCAla ella semkkum naan dhaan assignment ezhudhi tharuven.. and namma handwriting-um presentationum perfecta irukkumndradhaala avanukku assignmentskellam 10 out of 10 dhaan.. Oru dhadava avan friend enakku phone panni orey polambals.. Naangalaan maanju maanju okkandhu ezhudhi submit panna engalukku 8 mark dhaan podararu.. Indha paiyan azhaga neenga ezhudhi kudukkara assignmenta kondu vandhu submit pannittu 10 mark vaangittu poraan.. idhellam romba aniyaayamnu :-)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 11:38 AM, Blogger G3 said…

    //his teacher taught him so well that he started to enjoy Chemistry so much//
    Idhu romba correctu.. Sometimes teachers solli tharadha vechu we start liking or hating the subject.. I started liking tamizh only from my 9th std only.. appo pudhusa join panna andha sir superba practical examples-oda solvar paarunga.. chancae illa :-)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 11:40 AM, Blogger G3 said…

    //and asked her if she remembered that we studied this during our engineering//
    Hehe.. Neenga avlo dhooram poreenga.. Last week oppicela edho pechu vandhappo en team mate avalukku nalla memorynnu sonna.. engamma konjam க,ங,.. ன varaikkum ezhudhi kaatumannu sonna adhuvae correcta ezhudha varala.. Basickkae indha gadhina mathadha ennanu solla??

     
  • At February 06, 2007 11:41 AM, Blogger G3 said…

    //How many schools focus on improving an average student.//
    Good Question.. Enakku therinja varai endha schoolumae kandukkaradhillaingaradhu dhaan appatamaana nejam :-(

     
  • At February 06, 2007 11:42 AM, Blogger G3 said…

    @Gils : //adhula half-yearly varaikum cup adichi board examla 88 vaangina oru student oda sign iruku with a drop of tear on it..//
    Wow.. Gils.. That was an awesome achievement.. Hats off!!!

    Neenga aasapatta maadiriyae unga pazhaiya teachers adha kaata vaazhthukkal :-)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 11:44 AM, Blogger G3 said…

    Hey KK, Solla marandhuttaenae.. Nethu unga posta padichittu idha pathiyae yosichittu thoongitten..

    Effectu.. Kanavula ennoda school teachers school mateslaan vandhaanga.. :-) Adhu varaikkum sandhosham..

    Aana kadaisila missu edho kelvi kettu naan sollannadhum enna thoppu karanam poda vechitaanga :-(

     
  • At February 06, 2007 11:46 AM, Blogger G3 said…

    KK, 50th commentukku special-a kothu parotta parcel anuppidunga :-)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 1:01 PM, Blogger பொற்கொடி said…

    naan nalla udharanam. schoola la purinju padichen, collegela puriyama illai padikave illa. so no qosteen :) ippo aapu waiting in the form of interview :(

     
  • At February 06, 2007 1:33 PM, Blogger priya said…

    KK: Our education system is the same old constitution. People never accept changes and like to follow what their forefathers have gone.

    Its ok to know about history, but what is needed for today has to be learnt. By learning history or any other major, did we do somehting.

    Our system shud avoid the essay type answers and go with multiple choice questions. In that case, no onehas to vomit all answers right.

    In a class if you have more than 20-30 students, one person cannot be attentive to each and every
    student. By making student to read without understanding the cocnept is too bad and that can deviate a persons interest in various subjects. Students do like certain courses we they feel comfortable witht he student-teacher interaction. Wat ya say?

     
  • At February 06, 2007 1:46 PM, Blogger Usha said…

    Montessori method vazhga!! Exam illana enaku montessori enna guduvancherina kooda ok ;)

     
  • At February 06, 2007 5:44 PM, Blogger Keshi said…

    how did I miss this post?

    anyways ur right...all we want is high marks. It's the same in SL. So much competition and amidst all that, we forget to derive the real lessons. And then we start working we r totally lost!


    Keshi.

     
  • At February 06, 2007 7:32 PM, Blogger priya said…

    @kkk:
    "we indians lack the communication skill"

    - edhu 50/50 dhan accept pannuven.

    @ keshi: You didn't miss it, coz he was in montessouri school. He cudn't signal the real abc ....

     
  • At February 06, 2007 7:34 PM, Blogger priya said…

    Sorry for the fast typo errors.

     
  • At February 07, 2007 12:42 AM, Blogger KK said…

    @Karthik B.S - Super BSK!!! Thalaivar maathiri varavendiya nerathukku correct'a vanthuteenga :) Inthanga Heritage Inn'la irunthu oru Food coupon. Nalla saaptu Interview attend pannunga :)

    @Shiva - Yes Shiva, learning should be an experience and not scoring marks. Oh thats nice to here that there are some steps being taken on this regard.

    @Isha - I agree to you that someone who scored 100% might have a better understanding than a person who scored 80%. But I have also seen otherwise. At least in the state board education system people who are good in mugging score more marks.

    @Has to be me - Thanks HTBM!
    Very true HTBM, if there were no exams and no marks or anything thats it no one will study including me :)
    I always had an opinion that I should not mug (may be because I was not gud at it) how much ever time it took I never used to mug. So that mentality should come.
    Solution... yenga katchi'la serunga solluren :)

    @Gils - Yenakkum intha topic romba naala yezhuthanum nu thalli potute irunthen...Ippo than oru vazhiya yezhuthinen...
    Gils super!! unga gift pathi padichu pull arichupochu... Hope you the day where you can show that card to your teachers happens soon. :) I feel proud of you saga :) namathu katchi vaazhga... neenga than education minister :)

    Remaining comments will reply tommorow :)

     
  • At February 07, 2007 5:58 AM, Blogger prithz said…

    Awwwwwwwwww!!! How did i miss this post for soo long!?!?! Dammit! So much a post for me at the right time!

    Cool post KK.. if only u cud announce this in my university, n get the idea into their nerdy brains, i will get u as many chocolate icecreams as u want! The society here is so grades oriented that the first level of screening for any interview is based on the no. of A's u have in your academic transcript. I wonder if these people can sit in front of the interview panel without their legs rocking.

    And not to forget, when an average performer is in such an academically demanding environment, it pulls down a lot on one's morale. The 2 hours of exam which determines a huge chunk of one's final grades is such an illogical concept. I would rather be happy to submit weekly assingments and work in the lab, hands on!

     
  • At February 07, 2007 12:34 PM, Blogger priya said…

    KK: Tomorrow?? Hello neenga romba sincere a work panreenganu thriyudhu. But ipdi verva sindi ahha.. Epdi kk ungala matum mudyuthu. Ellam theringa vallar nu sola madhiri.

     
  • At February 07, 2007 7:52 PM, Blogger Keshi said…

    haha!

    Keshi.

     
  • At February 08, 2007 12:28 AM, Blogger KK said…

    @Hell's Angel - Very true point. There is a huge difference between the education system and the working segment. It should be made to bridge the distance between them. And yeah things have to change from the scratch.

    @Sat - LOL!!!! The end of you comment was typical dilbertish :)

    @Bharani - Neenga mattuma exam mattume book yeduthavar... oorla irukravangalam appadithan :)
    naan oru 2 weeks munnadi than yosichutu irunthen... namma differencial calculus'lam padichome... athu yellam waste'a poche... ippo suthama onnume nyavagam illai...
    Regarding your view on education system in India I agree with you 100%. We really didnt invent anything...

    @GolmaalGopal - Naan solliyum yaarum ketkala athan blog'la potuten :)
    Exactly... passive is the right word for our education. Yeah they should change the way question papers are set, they should make it more application of what people have read than just throwing up what ever they read.
    Do you like Physics?? Same blud :)

     
  • At February 08, 2007 12:29 AM, Blogger KK said…

    @Lera - //Practical Talent & Aptitude is surely more important than the Tool( book knowledge)//

    Very nicely told :) Very true!!!

    @Smiley - Sad part is I dont remember it during the exam :( any ideas for that ?? :D

    @Sree - Thanks Sree!
    Yeah the body should be making sure and design in such a way that students dont mug their lessons. Nice to know about the NCERT text books. India surely needs more of such practices for their education system.
    The Project, assignemnts and Library should be encouraged. To tell the truth I was seldom used the library in my school and college.
    Yeah as you say having an uniform system and evaluation mechanism across the nation is a tough task. But can be started and propagated across the nation slowly.

    @Syam - neenga copper sulphate'a naan Calcium carbonate... :D canteen'la lab attender'a gavunchipen :)

    //Dr ku padikanumnu aasai patten athunaala ennoda son ah padikka veikarennu//
    Reminds me of Charlie's joke in Poove unakaaga :D

     
  • At February 08, 2007 12:29 AM, Blogger KK said…

    @G3 - Time parthulam comment podureenga??? yethuku rahukalam yemagandamlam paarthu than poduveengala?? Aduthathu yenna Vaasthu paarthu poduveengala? ;D
    Ippadi innorutharku assignment pannurathukku yenakku yarume illaye naan padikumbothu...10/10 lam naan paarthathe illai :(
    //appo pudhusa join panna andha sir superba practical examples-oda solvar paarunga..//
    Yenakkum French miss naala than yenakku french pudichuthu :)
    Unga test'ku naan varala pa :D
    Yen unga dream'a lam affect panni irukka??? awwwwwwwwwww :D
    Happa atleast kanavula ungala thopakaram poda vechane :D
    G3'ku Kothu Parota and Chicken Gravy Parcel!!!!

    @Porkodi - Ippovaaguthu pointers purinchi padinga.. doubt iruntha G3'ya ketukonga... avanga than NIIT poi lam padichenu sonnanga :)

    @Priya - I too felt the same about History Priya... I always had the doubt on how it is going to help us in our lives... If Ashoka planted trees... what am I to do for it :D
    Yeah they should make it multiple choices or computer based. With the class size in India it is difficult to give pesonal attention but they can give non prejudised attention.

     
  • At February 08, 2007 12:30 AM, Blogger KK said…

    @Usha - ROTFL!!! superappu!!! Guduvancheri govinsamy than unga class mate'a irupaar :)

    @Keshi - No wonder I am confused Keshi :D Are you getting the Biryani or am I getting :D

    @Prithz - Yeah, it puts so much pressure on today's students. Atleast for that sake they should find another way to evaluate students. And yeah 2 hrs exam is not the one that decides someones life. They should have practical, logical, application, assignemnts to evaluate people. Tell your katchi to strike :)

    @Priya - Athu yeppadinu theriyalanga... born talent :D Veliya sollidaatheenga :D

    @Keshi - hahah :D

     
  • At February 08, 2007 5:14 AM, Blogger Jeevan said…

    The schools are taking only brilliant student for their schools to increase the hope on people that if we join our child in this school he will score marks and even it increases the schools respect in public. The schools should come forward to light in the life of average students, by special coaching. I too score more in physic than chemistry. In physic we can remember the method and we can wrote on our own. I am an average student in school, that time my interests were in playing, but I score good marks with the help of my tuition teacher, she creates interest on lessons in me.

     
  • At February 08, 2007 10:02 AM, Blogger Sat said…

    kk;
    //The end of you comment was typical dilbertish :)//
    Got to give it to you!!!
    It's a quote straight out of Dilbert, in fact from one of my fav among the comic strips...
    that's why i had placed the statement within double quotes...

     
  • At February 08, 2007 10:37 AM, Blogger priya said…

    Finala a unga comment pathachu. Natamai inum podave illa. Enga katchi sarbha unga katchiku all you can eat buffet ready a eruku. Ippovadhu vandhu comment poda solunga syma a...

     
  • At February 08, 2007 11:46 AM, Blogger Kittu said…

    sari vandadhukku 70a round kattittu poraen

     
  • At February 08, 2007 12:16 PM, Blogger G3 said…

    //yethuku rahukalam yemagandamlam paarthu than poduveengala??//
    Idhellam paathu pottae unga kitta reply vaanga 2 naal aagudhu.. Hmm.. :-(

    Vaasthuva? adha paathu potta mattum odanae vandhu reply poda poreengala enna? podarennu sollunga.. adhaiyum paathuduvom :-)

     
  • At February 08, 2007 12:17 PM, Blogger G3 said…

    //yenakku yarume illaye naan padikumbothu...//
    Romba peel panna.. innoru vaati padinga.. naan vena ezhudhi tharen assignment.. 10/10 paakalaam :P

     
  • At February 08, 2007 12:19 PM, Blogger G3 said…

    //Yenakkum French miss naala than yenakku french pudichuthu :)//
    French pudichudha? French missa pudichudha.. theliva sollanum :-)

     
  • At February 08, 2007 12:19 PM, Blogger G3 said…

    //Unga test'ku naan varala pa :D//
    Unga tamizh knowledge pathi dhaan namakku theriyumae.. so ungalukku andha testu veikka maatom.. no worries :-)

     
  • At February 08, 2007 12:20 PM, Blogger G3 said…

    Yappa.. Indha 75th comment podaradhukkaga oru 4 dummy comment poda vendi irukku :-(

     
  • At February 08, 2007 5:16 PM, Blogger Syam said…

    //Indha 75th comment podaradhukkaga oru 4 dummy comment poda vendi irukku //

    @g3,
    neenga podurathu ellamey dummy thaan ithula thaniya enna :-)

     
  • At February 08, 2007 5:33 PM, Blogger பொற்கொடி said…

    என்னது படிக்கணுமா??! யேன் திட்டறீங்க எதிர் கட்சிங்கறதுக்காக :(

     
  • At February 08, 2007 5:38 PM, Blogger G3 said…

    Chey.. oru 3 comment pottu rounda 80 adikkalaamnu vandha ippadi solli kavuthuteengalae syam.. :-( Nalla irunga.. :P

     
  • At February 08, 2007 5:39 PM, Blogger G3 said…

    Aanalum idhukkellam salacha appuram eppadi edhir katchiya kaalatha otradhu?

     
  • At February 08, 2007 5:39 PM, Blogger G3 said…

    Naan kandippa vandha velaya mudichittu dhaan poven :-)

    80!!!! :-D

     
  • At February 08, 2007 7:32 PM, Blogger Dreamzz said…

    namma kadai pakkam vandhamaikku nanri!

    unga kadhaikkum nanri!

    ethir katchiya irundhaalum,ungulukku nalla manasu!

     
  • At February 08, 2007 7:33 PM, Blogger Dreamzz said…

    educational system pathi solliirukeenga! namma innum english kaaran,clerks a uruvaaka panna macaulay syllabusla padicha pinna eppadi irukkum!

    neraiya mathanumga!and education is the best place!

     
  • At February 08, 2007 7:33 PM, Blogger Dreamzz said…

    sari vandhahdukku 85 eduthuttu poren ok thaana!

     
  • At February 08, 2007 7:34 PM, Blogger Dreamzz said…

    ithulla entrance exam vera edakumnaam! uruptaapla thaan!

     
  • At February 08, 2007 7:34 PM, Blogger Dreamzz said…

    85! ok vartta!

     
  • At February 11, 2007 1:01 AM, Blogger Venkatesh said…

    very good post.. i am totally with you on this thing about scoring marks by memorizing.. i hated inorganic chemistry as I used to understand organic little bit (without the need for memorizing).

    I also agree with you about brillance / intelligance etc., it is all about the interest, motivation, environment, exposure and encouragement..

     
  • At February 11, 2007 2:27 AM, Blogger Krithika said…

    i agree with u 100%! education sys here suckks..engg esp, no concept oriented teaching..yet it's nice to see few students who learn it with a purpose

     
  • At February 11, 2007 7:26 PM, Blogger Syam said…

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  • At February 11, 2007 7:36 PM, Blogger Syam said…

    KK...mic testing :-)

     
  • At February 11, 2007 7:36 PM, Blogger Syam said…

    ok namma katchi pugal ulagam ellam parava howz my profile poto :-)

     

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